While renowned for popularising the incorporation of analogue joysticks into modern video game controllers, the Nintendo 64 Controller's joystick is, in fact, its biggest flaw. Those who played their N64 extensively back in its heyday will remember that the stick would become loose after extended use, so much so that it would eventually become unusable.
If you've left your N64 in the past, then this probably doesn't matter. But it's becoming increasingly difficult (and expensive) for today's dedicated community of N64 fans to source controllers which still have decent, working joysticks.
This is where ENKKO's crowdfunding project to provide quality joystick repair parts for the N64 controller comes in to save the day. The campaign has already attracted over $6,000 of pledges on Kickstarter, and it's not hard to see why; unlike many of the third-party joystick replacement units already available on the market, ENKKO's solution will be reversed-engineered to get as close to the OEM stick as possible.
Understandably, something so novel and bespoke isn't cheap to produce. The purpose of ENKKO's Kickstarter campaign is to raise money to get the materials needed to take the project further: primarily an aluminium mould to accurately mass-produce the sticks.
If you still play your N64 on a regular basis and want to live in a world where high-quality joysticks for the controller are plentiful, then take a look at the ENKKO Kickstarter project page and donate some money. According to a timeline on the page, ENKKO currently hopes to start delivering rewards in May.
[source kickstarter.com]
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Most N64 games are on VC and are cheaper anyway...
Cheaper on VC I mean.
I've kind of hated the n64 controller,it feels like i'm holding a crossbow.
I think this guy has it wrong...
I opened multiple N64 thumb sticks and its always the black gear parts that are wearing out.
The joystick it self is always fine.
When turning the stick around and around the insides of the black gear parts slowly scrape away and thats why the joystick is getting numb.
I got 6 n64 controllers none have a problem
@NinjaAceTrainer really? Because I'm pretty sure there's just a handful of games from the system's 387-game library.
Sounds good, but I get the impression that they are slightly naive when it comes to the injection moulding process and specifying which polymer to use. A highly polished mould costs significantly more than the kick-started target, fot example.
Picture quality on hdtvs is the biggest problem
Yep. I saw a video about using the N64 on a Sony Trinitron CRT with an RGB mod and picture quality is by far the biggest problem due to the anti-aliasing filter used on all the games. Besides, why can't these people start business the way people are supposed to. You start small and build with quality and success, not ask for a bunch of money and do what you can.
The N64 has two major flaws:
Like @sandman89 said, the picture quality on modern systems is abyssmal and as of yet, there is no good alternative to it (Come on Retron, im waiting for a N64 slot...)
And the freakin analog stick on the controller !
As much as i love the overall controller design, the life span of the stick is just super poor. There are replacement parts out there, like a GameCube stick, but then you have deadzone issues.
So yeah, im more waiting for a modern replacement for the entire console, controller and all than just a new controller.
@NinjaAceTrainer N64 VC- About 12
N64 Carts- Nearly 400.
Got a loooong way to go. XD
I think, that I would buy a few of these if the quality is right....
My old controllers are really busted up when it comes to the Joystick and I just love the feeling of playing them on the original hardware ^^
Most of the best N64 games will probably never be on the Virtual Console because of rights issues (Banjo-Kazooie, Goldeneye, Star Wars, Beetle Racing, etc). N64 emulation on PC is still pretty imperfect, and even then, it's hard to find a modern controller that maps naturally to N64 controls because no one makes controllers with 6 face buttons anymore. Right now your best option for playing N64 games is still getting an actual console and a new controller; fortunately it had so few games when it came out that there's still a reliable supply of never-used controllers out there, but we're going to have to work on more longterm solutions.
Man those joysticks don't last very long on those old N64 controllers that is for sure. I remember getting one brand new and it literally did not last a month before it started acting up so what I really would prefer is someone to redesign the controller with sturdier materials and parts instead of repairing it. Love the design of the controller and thought it was quite comfortable but man do those analogue sticks wear out way too quick.
@NinjaAceTrainer
Too bad that there is a deadzone issue on VC supported control sticks.
@Einherjar
Yeah that's the main problem with the N64. I'd love to have one around but it just looks appalling on a modern TV, worse than pretty much every other console (no RGB).
I would rather just go on eBay and buy a gamecube style stick for the n64
@electrolite77 Its the weird AA filtering, which looked great on old TVs, but causes me actual headaches on modern ones.
And with certain games (Harvest Moon 64 for instance) it even causes major ghosting and color bleeding, pretty much creating two overlapping images. Its horrible.
Sadly, the console is super hard to emulate properly, so there is really no good alternative :/
I may invest jusynto try it out. I collect a lot of retro gaming stuff, and finding an N64 controller without anaolog wear is pretty tough. Thay being said, when you do find one, wear is inevitable. I am looking for a more long term solution! The Hori pad or whatever seems like the best bet, but they cost a fortune!
I've NEVER had a problem with N64 controllers. The only reason I'm in the market for a few is that I lost my originals. The joystick was the best, immediate response, no deadzone whatsoever.
I have no clue why anyone would want to back this....you could just buy a better quality replacement stick for like $4.
The only issue with the original joystick is that with excessive use the stick wears away at the bottom pan that is plastic. Simply manufacturing a metal pan should fix the problem. Or like my N64 joysticks just put a dab of white lithium grease at the bottom of the pan to reduce friction. They should last forever, unless you play Mario Party that is. I love the Nintendo 64 controller design. It allowed for gripping the analog pad or joystick with Z trigger and just felt right. If you look at the time it was unknown if a joystick would take off in the market.
Backed one for $10, if at least a reproduction of the original hardware it should be functional in game. Newer replacements have dead spots and aren't accurate in games like Wave Race 64.
@Einherjar Super hard to emulate? Depends on what your demands are. On PC, Project64 v2.0 works just fine, with almost a 95% compatibility and that includes the most popular games. They even have high rez texture packs for a number of games to make them look better, and it has a built in scaler to make graphics fit your resolution and still look good.
And on the Wii/Wii U you have a great program called Wii64. Works much (MUCH) better than Nintendo's own VC emulation even though compatibility is lower than on PC with Project 64 (from my own experience I would say that Wii64 has around 75% - 80% compatibility) but that too includes the most popular games. It's also region free and it is upscaled to a very clean 480p, with no blurry graphics or bleeding whatsoever, so maybe you should try these if you are really looking for emulation options. If you go for Wii64, be sure to take the version that has USB compatibility, otherwise you have to load games from a DVD. And obviously you have to use Letterbomb to softmod the Wii/WiiU before you can use the program...
I'm not particularly fond of the N64 in general, the awful controller being one of the reasons for that. It's not just that it breaks easily, it's awkward to use as well.
I might back this, I'll have to think about it. I love the 64, but like everyone else has suggested, there are alternatives that we know work decently.
Replacement analog sticks already exist so what's the point?
I'm much more interested in a HD N64 option.
@Yorumi Yeah, it differs heavily from TV to TV.
My big, main one displays ols system like crap. Granted, its one of the earlier "Full HD" TVs on the market.
When i hook older consoles up to one of my PC Monitors (which are actually also TVs) it looks kindy sharp. But overall, much room for improvement.
@TheRealThanos Ive quit the emulation scene quite a while ago, so im not "up-to-date" anymore. I mostly focus on mobile emulators. N64 emulation had all sorts of issues for the longest time. Texture issues, geometry issues, timing issues, you name it.
What i meant with "super hard" is super hard to reach that level of overall compatibility and stability to make a commercial console out of it that can replace your N64.
As close to the original stick as possible? Why not a better stick that doesn't wear out? I'd be interested in that.
@Einherjar Well, I don't know if Project 64 has a mobile version, but on the PC it's pretty close to perfect, so I experience none of those issues. And if you still have a Wii lying around, or are okay with softmodding the Wii part of your Wii U, then Wii64 is pretty much the next best thing and the emulation is better than Nintendo's own on the VC, so that should tell you something.
I can run 286 games from the entire N64 catalog on my Wii, with only a minor glitch here and there, mostly in third party games. All of Nintendo's own games run perfectly and look great, even on a reasonably big HD TV. (42" plasma)
And as for using emulators on mobile: besides the fact I actually don't like any of them, I would only deem that suitable for handheld consoles, not for a system like the N64. You're then either doomed to play with horrible touch controls or you can pair a controller with your device, but why would you want to do that with such a small screen? Even tablets don't suffice in that respect, in my opinion. But to each his own, I guess, though I can really recommend any of the two options I gave you, so maybe it's time to get back up to date again and give them a go.
Or watch some YouTube clips about these two programs and decide for yourself...
@TheRealThanos Thats why i got myself a JXD Tablet
But ill be testing waters with Pj64 again ^^
I gave up on that emulator when it started to get distributed loaded with malware and bloatware stuff. And then came my retro console collection phase
@Einherjar I've had fairly good luck with Project64. I even managed to get Wonder Project J2 with the English translation patch running, and that one is very difficult to emulate properly...
Still prefer using the original system and controller when I can, though! My 26" 1080i TV, an earlier HDTV, also seems to play N64 games just fine. I guess certain TV's, especially big 1080p sets, don't work well for many N64 games, except for maybe things like the expansion pak enhanced titles and Jet Force Gemini.
We'll see if this turns out to be higher quality than the cheap stuff made in China that are the only things available today. Cheaper is not necessarily better. Nothing wrong with using good parts, whether you're a connoisseur or a regular retro enthusiast.
@Einherjar You'll have to torrent the v2 version of Project64, since that is only available for members on the official site. The upside of v2 is that it is completely ad-free.
As for Wii64, that can be found here:
http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?17,66299,page=1
That page also has WiiSX, a Playstation 1 emulator for Wii/Wii U which also runs fine. I have that installed too.
@TheRealThanos Uh oh! No linking allowed!
@PlywoodStick Oh yeah, forgot about that one. Then again: it will already be in his email...
@Einherjar And as far as retro consoles are going, the complete list of systems that I'm running on the good old Wii:
Colecovision
Atari 2600
NES
SNES
Sega Genesis/Megadrive
Game Boy Color
Game Boy Advance
PC Engine/Turbogrfx16
Neo Geo AES
MSX
Amiga
BOR
PSX
N64
So basically an all in one solution for all my retro gaming needs...
I love the N64 controller for N64 games. Pretty much the same way I only really like GCN controllers for GCN, although it does work with me for any Smash game. But if it comes out decent this is the first retro remade controller that I'm ever going to be interested in. NES & SNES are things I didnt get to explore until about 10 years ago, so those special controllers mean nothing to me. Now if the WiiU-GCN fightpad had more uses then I'd be getting one of those immediately as well.
@Einherjar
I haven't seen Harvest Moon, sounds awful. If my Lottery numbers ever come in I'll get a quality CRT, RGB-Modded N64 and a huge collection of games. Actually for the latter I'd probably need two Lottery wins.
I second what @TheRealThanos says about emulation though. I softmodded my Wii a while back and the N64 emulation is very good. Better if I could use my N64 pad of course, but generally well worth it.
I thought the joystick on the N64 was fine.
The real problem was where it was located.
@electrolite77 I use a wireless GameCube joypad for all retro consoles I've installed on my Wii, third party. (I have two: a D3mon and a Qware. I chose them over a Wave Bird because of the lower price and the fact they have rumble)
@electrolite77 For the original N64 console another worthwhile purchase is an Everdrive 64, don't know if you've heard of them, but they're pretty good.
Will the joystick on these new controllers be better than the original ones?
@electrolite77 I still have my old CRT, just not enough space for it :/ In comparison, even small CRTs take up more space than huge HDTVs
@TheRealThanos I second that. I got myself an SD2SNES and an Everdrive64 Cart. Shoutout to EvilDragon from DragonBox at this point ^^
The possibility to play fan translations on a real mashine is just fantastic.
@Einherjar Ah, Dragonbox. I've registered at their site, because I was once planning on buying a Pandora, and after that a GCW Zero, both of which I ultimately decided not to buy.
Now I'm saving up for a MiST board and a GPD XD, which to me personally seems a far better solution than the JXD tablet you have, but opinions, aye?
Let me know what happened if you start emulating again. If need be, you can also contact me on NNID or Xbox Live, profiles are the same as here...
P.S.
I also speak German, so you could use your native language there if you'd like.
@TheRealThanos Im a proud owner of a rebirth Pandora and havent regreted the purchase one bit ^^
It just depends on what youre planning to do with it really. If youre strictly in it for gaming purposes, there are plenty other options around, sure.
Im currently waiting for their next big thing, the PYRA to show us a little more details. They are supposedly pretty far down the road development wise.
As for the JXD, i actually bought it on a whim really. I cant remember exactly where i saw it, i think it was Ashens YT channel and got a good deal for one.
A really nice system overall and it does a really good job both emulating pretty much everything i cared about (Mostly SNES, GBA and PSX) and acting as my main book reader ^^
If i has one thing to complain about, it would be the sub par analog stick...these things spin...thats pretty much a death sentence by default
But yeah, absolutely opinion based and for me, it did exactly what i got it for
Im rarely using any Console messengers there days, but whenever i start up my WiiU again (once im through with DKCR 3D and switching over to TF) ill add you ^^
@Einherjar The sticks is the one thing that I was also warned about, which is why I am so interested in the GPD XD, which is using the exact same sticks as the PS Vita, which are supposed to be quite good. They have also continuously improved the design and they have an active community to which they really listen and that is what makes this (imho) the ultimate handheld as far as a mix between Android and retro goes. It even plays Dreamcast games, which is a big attraction for me, since I am a proud and still happy owner of a Dreamcast, so being able to play these on the go would be wonderful to me.
The price of the system is also quite reasonable:
https://www.dragonbox.de/de/105-gpd
Here are some reviews:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfJaMRM7qjI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dijYHMTY74I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MM96UvSjS7U
And this channel has a lot of let's plays of the different systems it emulates:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLwuwg-GG7_b-SxzDWmZMHthVieZSIwvzN
@Einherjar P.S. the console messenger invite is only to be able to share my email, so we can have more elaborate conversations. On site it could go too much off topic, and in console messengers there is only so many letters you can use for each message, making options quite limited.
@NinjaAceTrainer
By most you mean not even 5 percent?
@spurgeonryan @MegaWatts I suppose I just don't know most of the N64 games then, sorry about my inaccuracy, but they still are cheaper on VC than if you bought the actual cartridge...
I remember taking my N64 joysticks apart a few years ago and fixing them. Only one had somewhat noticeable signs of stick wear, and nearly all of the issues were caused by the U-shaped slots in those gear pieces widening. In the end, I just used the superglue-mache trick, added a touch of petroleum jelly, and they were right as rain.
Reading through his Kickstarter campaign though does make me wonder why he's just scanning (and not remodeling/retopologizing some of the more complex pieces).
...anyway for those of you considering the gamecube-style joystick replacements, I whole-heartedly recommend watching this beforehand. (actual mod and impressions start around 4:11)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3GYtAyRCOo
@hYdeks Those replacement sticks are supposed to have issues. There are mods you can buy that are supposed to improve them, but by that point you've put quite a bit of money into it.
I wonder how this Kickstarter will compare to the parts kitsch-bent is making. I'm not sure if they're not out yet or just out-of-stock, I haven't been watching. Would love to get my Jungle Green controller working again. That thing is super loose, and I took pretty good care of it.
Edit: I just watched their video. He's only making the stick and bowl, and Kitsch-Bent is only selling the gears, so hopefully this'll be a perfect fit.
@NinjaAceTrainer
You're right in that those that have made it to the VC are cheaper than to buy new-especially Paper Mario which is really expensive and DK64 which needed the Expansion Pak. Plus they look better through the Wii U than playing the original machine on a modern TV. As others have said though there are so many missing. I reckon there's over 100 games worth owning for the N64 but the Wii U VC has 9. Hopefully that's something they increase in the future even if it's just Nintendos own games.
@TheRealThanos
Thanks for that, for some reason I didn't know there was an Everdrive for the N64. That actually makes the idea of getting another N64 a lot more appealing.
P.S. The idea of a complete collection really is in my Lottery win fantasies. I just can't help drool a little at pics like this....http://sydbolton.com/images/Nintendo64Collection-2.jpg
@TheRealThanos So since I got my WiiU on launch day, my old Wii has been packed up in a closet. I'm very interested now in modding it and running emulators for all my retro games I own in one system. Where are the best "how to" vids and forums found if you don't mind me asking, and what is the initial cost to get a Wii beefed up similar to yours. I'll be looking to back up my NES, SNES, N64, GameCube, and GameboyAdvance SP games.
I didn't know there were any problems with the joystick on the N64 controller; in all the years that we owned one (we definitely still owned it when the Wii came out, but we don't have it any more) we never had any issues with the analogue sticks. Are you guys sure that you were playing the games right?
@electrolite77 Holy cr... that's a lot of games. I have around 62 actual cartridges, but somewhere in 2010 I downloaded a DVD that had all the ROMs on it, so I don't need a room full of cartridges catching dust because I'll never play most of them. There's a lot of bad games in those collections, so it's more for completionists instead of players/gamers.
Check out the Stone Age Gamer website: there are Everdrives for just about any system that was ever popular, including handhelds, so 8- and 16-bit consoles, the N64, Game Boy, DS and so on.
http://www.stoneagegamer.com/
@Nosferatu-Zodd I don't mind at all. Initial costs are not that high: you need to buy either a large capacity USB stick (preferably 64GB or higher) or a FAT32 formatted portable hard drive. I always buy Western Digital Elements drives; they're small, light and reasonably priced.
As a standard, they are formatted in NTFS for Windows, but you can also buy the versions that are compatible with Apple computers since they are already formatted in FAT32. Then again, you could always format a drive yourself, but that takes a long time, especially if you have a drive from 1TB or higher.
Then you need a 2GB SD card, but non HC (High Capacity). A lot of sites say it doesn't matter, but in my personal experience (and I've modded around 15 Wii's) the SDHC cards are slightly unreliable in the Wii for some reason.
As for the videos: just look up homebrew channel videos and Letterbomb videos.
There's also a few sites to check out, like hackmiiDOTcom and wiibrewDOTorg. The second one has full tutorials on just about anything, so that should make everything clear. Emulators for all the retro systems can be found in the chapter "Homebrew applications" at the bottom left side of the page.
If you follow all the tutorials EXACTLY as they are written, then it really is a piece of cake and you can't go wrong.
Games for all the emulators can be found on emuparadise, all neatly arranged in categories, and if you also want to try out N64 and PSX emulation (both work great) then Google "Wii64 and WiiSX recompiled" and click on the "GBAtemp" or "ForumWiibrew" link.
Also, for full native GameCube playback (also on Wii's that don't have GameCube controller ports) look up "Nintendont".
Well, that should keep you busy for quite a while, but let me know if there's anything else you want to ask.
@Nosferatu-Zodd To add to all that, I'd advice you to look up how to change the config files of the different emulators to load all games from USB. Wii and GameCube games do so by default, but most of the retro emulators look for games on the SD card, and obviously there are only so many games you can fit on there.
Back in my younger days I never had a problem with the N64 controller. Now when I try to use it, I just find it really awkward to hold.
I've mainly moved on from the N64 but still have loads of games for it. Maybe I should dig it out and have a go but there's lots of other games I've not got around to playing yet and they're probably much more fun.
I didn't like the n64 controller's big mushy d-pad. The curve they added across the face of the controller made the left side of the dpad taller than the right side(if I remember correctly). That was my main gripe with that controller. Mk trilogy was pretty difficult because of this, although that game had issues with the button input timings.
Anyway, I never really had problems with the analogue stick, and replacement sticks are readily available for cheap with the true 'feel'. Not sure what the business case is for this project.
@InternetBowser Gamecube 'style' n64 replacement sticks exist, are not prohibitively expensive, easy to find online, and even easier to implement into your controllers. All of my N64 pads have been upgraded using these new parts, and I've never looked back.
This kickstarter is a joke. Replacement joysticks are so easy to get, and they work just as well, and many like my aforementioned gamecube style design work even better.
@electrolite77 The Wii's VC had loads of games for the N64
(I'm quite sure of this, correct me if I'm wrong)...
@TheRealThanos thanks for all the advice man. I do remember reading that people have trouble with high capacity SD cards, but if you're saying that a high capacity Jumpdive works fine then I'll go that route to store the Roms. Do you have a reference on hand that explains how to reformat the emulators to search for the Roms in a jump drive vice SD card?
@NinjaAceTrainer
21 according to Wikipedia
@Nosferatu-Zodd Most of these changes in the config files should be mentioned in the tutorials on wiibrewDOTorg under the emulators chapter. Emulators like all the 8 and 16 bit systems have an options menu once you've installed them, so you can direct the emulator to where you put the ROMs. Just take care to name the folders EXACTLY the same as they would be on the SD card.
The most simple solution for that is to simply have all the folders on the SD card as well as on the USB stick/portable HD.
On the HD/USB stick, make two folders, one called "wbfs" and one called "games". The first one is for Wii games and the second one for GameCube games.
To load them, I prefer "USBLoaderCFG" aka "configurable USB Loader". It's the most user friendly one and from it you can load, install and remove Wii and GameCube games from and to your hard drive/USB stick. Look for the version "v70r78". It's the most compatible one.
If you have to format a drive for the Wii (not necessary for most USB sticks since they are already FAT32, but check to be sure) make it FAT32 with 32kb cluster size. This is VERY important for stability and compatibility!!
When you're done modding, let me know and I will send you my configuration file for the USB Loader. It has settings to exit out of a game straight back into the Loader (instead of first going to the Wii menu and having to start up the USB loader again) and fixed settings for the appearance/display settings of the USB Loader, making it more or less fool- and childproof and looking rather cool, if I do say so myself.
It will look something like this:
http://file.confeito.ria10.com/wii.jpg
http://downloadtutorial.nl/images/cfg-usb-loader-wii.jpg
(except with a grey/silvery background. These images are from an older version)
I have also added rules for downloading cover images and for playing music while in the menu. The music settings can obviously be changed to suit your own tastes, but we'll get to that once you're ready.
P.S.
You might want to copy all these comments to a text file on your computer, just in case they get erased since I'm bordering on the wrong side of safe talking about modding here...
@electrolite77 That's still more than the N64 games on the Wii U VC.
I wish people who have no idea what they're talking about would stop posting things as if they know what they're talking about.
Super Smash Bros 64 on Virtual Console drops frames. Unplayable in competitive events.
Playing N64 games on modern televisions (as well as gamecube games) causes a significant input delay. Unplayable in competitive settings.
Replacement sticks do not have the same feel as an original N64 stick, which makes a HUGE difference to a competitive player. Those of us who have been playing since it was released do not want something that doesn't work or feel the same.
This kickstarter is doing something that no one else has, and is doing a huge service for all N64 lovers. Thanks for reading
Great article! I for one had loved the idea from the start and even had backed it from the moment I saw it on kickstarter. You should look at revisiting the project itself as its now kind of an internet mystery. The creator Andy Vargas, known as Mr.Sir in the competitive league of n64 smash, just vanished one day a while back. Everyone in the comments of the project are either curious or enraged and a lot of money and hopes for a serious n64 controller restoration project are just suspended now. Some people think he's dead, others think he ran off with the money, and some think he's just living his normal life with the extra cash bonus. Either way might be worth checking out someday.
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